Member Bashing.
Submitted by Tones_HT on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 15:28.
Ok there are numerous posts flying up about new members. Most of which are complaints of them all being rude etc bla bla bla bla bla.
Ok now, i'm not saying we arent getting a SMALL influx of "bad eggs" coming into RLC. We are, but no more or no less then yahoo, paltalk, imvu, SL, AoL chat and anyother damn chat prog. We're always going to get the "keyboard warriors" and 40 yo virgins with raging hormones. Yes this does get tiresome and yes it does get frustrating. Every second guy using the opening line "wanna fuck".
What suprises me is the lack of DIPLOMACY from our older members. We were all new once, and clueless. Just we BENEFITED from joining a small community. there are so many users now with their little cliques, who use sexual banter as part of there humour. These new users see this, they see the "oh shup and suck my dick" or whatever and they assume or believe it's ok. i'm not excusing each and every one of them. by all means there are some complete idiots.
Further more, what disgusts me is the segregation and labelling going on. All greenies are trouble makers. All greenies are assholes. Give me a fucking break! day in and day out i come into contact with new members. 12, 13 hours a day, answering questions, helping with a brief tour. helping with problems. Welcoming them. Something i didnt get when i started. And of course dealing with flame ups in the comunity, generally comprising of one new member taking on 4 reg members.
Yes people, the OLDER members are the instigators in a fair few of these incidents. Ok a guy says "wanna fuck" does it really take a group of 6 to rudely tell him to go fuck himself. or perhaps when a basic female asks a VIP male if its possible for a basic user to wear wings, for this VIP males girlfriend to say "get out bitch" and proceed to calling her a cunt whore and some other colourful names. Or a new member try to chat in blu's, and the 23 older members completely ignore him, then he makes a comment only one person feels is rude (and a light hearted one at that) for everyone in Blu's to jump him and give him the verbal beating i wouldnt wish on my worst enemy.
In short, theres good and bad on both sides, and this persistant "greenie bashing" is starting to wear thin and piss a few ppl off. i can tell you it pissed me off to know end. Think of the volunteers who now have to try and mediate this, maybe resulting in a boot or two, three or four. Think about all the reports needing done. and how that protector is now out of the world for 30 minutes.
30 minutes he/she could be there for helping with more serious matters. When it could have been avoided if some people kept their fucking mouths shut, or if they felt the need to open it, give the guy/girl some helpful information, the rules for example, by now most should know em eh, they just disregard them thinking they are exempt becase they have been her 5, 6 or even 13 months.
news Flash!!! we're ALL held by the same rules of chat. Including Me
i can go on and on but i'm going to leave it here. maybe i can make another article with the rest of my thoughts.
Note,
This is my opinion as a user of RLC. In no way is this to be confused with my standing as an RLC volunteer staff member. When i am badged everyone is treated equally, and fairly, as i have stated before. Basic member or VIP, 2 days on RLC or 18 months, we are all held by the same rules of conduct.
About RLC
OK. Being I am not a VIP member, nor part of this cliche. let me first say that I found out about RLC from a Penthouse mens mag advertisement. (when I was stuck in BFE Kansas and bored). Secondly there have been a lot of older members that have helped the two girls (that I brought over, after seeing what it was about) and myself. I have noticed in the forums that anyone that does share the same views will be verbally attacked (especially when they are an outsider) I have seen inside RLC where a few VIPS felt the need to screw with new people (as in telling them they know how they can get free VIP and giving them the keyboard commands to shut their system down) Now why would anyone want to pay 20 bucks a month to be abused, when they get that for free at yahoo.
And yes this site (by anyone who doesn't know) does look like it is set up to be mainly a sex site. So you do get new people who come in and think that way, I personally I joke in a sexual inuendo style (not real strong) but I show respect. I hate getting people to come to this site by my word about how nice it is, only for them to get bashed and screwed with by A FEW VIPs. they go by my word about how nice it is and that creates a little issue of trust when that happens. especially when I am promoting something like RLC to my friends. as said. MOST (and not exactly RLC per say staff) has been very nice and very helpful to the two women (that I brough over with me) and myself. now not really sure being I am not a VIP nor in this per say Cliche, that my comments are neither welcomed or wanted here. but I read the post and felt the urge to try to see where US New people stand with this site. thank you for your time. have a good day.
Steve Steinmetz
Member Bashing
Hi Tones,
I hear what you are saying... yes we all need a little more tolerance towards GREENIES however, the small minority which come in an proceed to immediately abuse, harass and insult all present doesn't help. Then not wanting to listen to reason nor any explanation of etiquette is not great boon either.
I know many Blus regulars who go out of our way to assist and be helpful to GREENIES as we all appreciate we were once one too ... hell I even have a various things that are helpful to GREENIES in my blogs eg: slash & action commands, textures & clothing tips etc.
However, something that needs to be address is also how RLC is sold - it's mainly on all and any reference site to sex ... I found it on Wikipeadia under the explanation of BDSM!! ... and no wonder we mainly have SEX nuts ... for many here.. it's not just purely sex - it's friendship too - sex is the BONUS .. but if you fish with that bait.. that's the fish you will get .. so until RLC changes it's style of fishing... us members will always get the hardcore sex GREENIES ... I agree with Lady_Janelle that there should be some kind of document that is sent to the new member that is like a FAQs - a guide to what and what not to do ... it would make life so much easier for all concerned as most of us pay to be here to enjoy ourselves, not be volunteer ambassadors.
On that note, would like to thank you and all the other Protectors for what you do...
hugs, Ambs
LadyAmbrosia
"Destiny is in my hands as I stroke it sensually ..."
I Agree
I totally agree with you that greenies get bashed for no reason.. We are all here to help the new people so help.. I bet if we were treated this way as a greenie it would have made us walk away from rlc.. But I will see how I am treated because I am going back to greenie statues in a couple days .. Let someone talk to me that like do to others.. I may be green but doesnt mean i wasnt vip at one point and who cares if greenies cant have sex or go in this room or that room there is so much to do on rlc that u dont have to be a vip ...
Sweetnsexytastin
I understand to a point...
I have on many occasions seen greenies mistreated. But I have also witnessed greenies that have by far deserved what they have gotten. I am not rude to them but i don't like them to step right in the people of me and someone I am having a conversation with and stand there. I also don't like them stepping between and following my every move either. I try to be respectful and just tell them to stop but that doesn't always work. I also don't like them constantly asking me for sex or can you show me you having sex. Come on we all were new at one time and we all had to learn too. I myself talk with them and try to convince them to upgrade but if they have no intention then I have no reason to stay talking to them or put them on my friends list. I only want people who I know that we can go anywhere or do anything that the time brings us.
Hi Tones, I sympathize with
Hi Tones,
I sympathize with you on this issue. I have seen some older members being outright rude, for no real reason. I see a lot of greenie bashing also and it's a shame that so much of your badge time is spent breaking up meaningless fights.
Maybe if when RLC sends a new user a temp password, they could also send a list of common courtesies to be followed. Then put the password at the end. It that email put in big letters BASIC MEMBERS CANNOT HAVE SEX OR SEE SEX, lol.
Yes I was a greenie once. It does break my heart when I see them needlessly bashed. It is especially hard when it's gets to greenie v. greenie. That may turn the prospective member away from the RLC experience.
xoxox
LADY_Janelle
What bothers me most about
What bothers me most about these type of posts is that it seems whenever a member makes a post about suggesting ways in which to help improve new member orientation to our world of RLC, they seem to come under attack as wanting to "punish", or pick on the new members.
I don't recall any posts stating new members were not welcome or should not be on RLC. I do recall several suggesting ways to HELP them better orientate into RLC. Giving examples of bad behavior IS NOT and never has been an ATTACK on new basic members. It is an example of the problems which do exist.
Making these suggestions into attacks has turned into more of a problem than our new friends seem to be causing.
The simple fact is that considering the sudden influx of new members the current system DOES NOT WORK. This is not an attack on new members it is a commentary on a system. The sytem may be very effective for a slow trickle of new members, it is not efefctive for hundreds at a time.
When RLC is ready to reevalute and reformulate this system perhaps you will see alot less friction.
Try accepting suggestions for what they are and stop this your "attacking the greenies" attitude.